boxsofrain: Lost

Ashlee ♪ (

boxsofrain) wrote,
@ 2008-02-17 22:00:00

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Lost
In my opinion, this is so far the best theory of whats going on in Lost.

It explains everything:

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

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	chicky824 2008-02-18 03:29 am UTC (link)
	Wow... that made my brain hurt a little but makes a lot of sense! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	boxsofrain 2008-02-18 03:41 am UTC (link)
	My brain was hurting from reading it too. But I really like how it explains so many things. I still don't get how a woman will die if she gets pregnant on the island. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ineverycolor
2008-02-18 04:16 am UTC (link)

In the end it depends on the woman. But I think the women on the island that were trying to have babies went through many years of time travel so instead of being a 28 year old woman, they had the womb of like a 52 year old woman. a womb that could not support giving birth.

At least that's my grasp of this theory. Juliet was recruited to figure out how to get an old vagina to pop out a baby.

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	boxsofrain 2008-02-18 09:31 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! Your explanation was very helpful. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	avatar 2008-02-18 11:26 am UTC (link)
	It doesn't explain the "security system" or Eko's death. I will poke more holes soon. (Reply to this)

	billzy 2008-02-18 11:28 am UTC (link)
	I NEED to watch more of lost! (Reply to this)

	avatar 2008-02-18 11:29 am UTC (link)
	It doesn't explain Walt and Christian Shepherd and all those others who appeared on the island, including the funky animals. Or Kate's badass dad talking through Sawyer. (Reply to this)(Thread)

boxsofrain
2008-02-18 09:33 pm UTC (link)

They are "half-dead" according to the guy. Or maybe since if the island is in 2000 the technically aren't dead yet so they are still "alive".

I don't remember Kates dad talking through Sawyer! What episode??

As for Walt:

boxsofrain
2008-02-18 09:28 pm UTC (link) Select
I think Walt was always a time-travler. Maybe thats why he aged a few years.

From the site:

I think that Walt is a time traveler, but doesn’t know it. I think that he came from the future and lived out his childhood in the past. That is why he can see visions of the future – because in an alternate timeline, he is actually from the future. Currently, we don’t have enough details to explain more about him.

When Locke was in the ditch dying he saw Walt which caused him to not kill himself. We were lead to believe we saw an image of Walt, but what if that was really Walt there!

Also from the site:

Q: How did Michael and Walt leave the island? Did they even leave? And, where did they go?

A: Yes, they did leave the island. Ben didn’t want anyone going to communicate with the outside world (Walt and Michael), but he kept his word that he would let them go. Notice that Michael and Walt left right after “the sky turned purple.” According to the timeline, this would mean that they left the island in the year 2001 – after all time had been reset to 2001. Now, everyone, on the island and off, is free to write history. But, will fate let Michael and Walt re-write history? I’m betting that Michael and Walt went back to the real world, realized that they were back in time, and then went BACK to the island to figure out what was going on.

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	avatar 2008-02-18 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	Kate's dad talked through Sawyer in 2x09 - What Kate Did, at about 12 minutes. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	boxsofrain 2008-02-19 01:44 am UTC (link)
	I love it that you are a Lost freak. :) What season is playing now in Australia? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	avatar 2008-02-19 02:20 pm UTC (link)
	Who knows, download download download! I have more holes to poke but we could argue forever ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sp6560 2008-02-18 02:11 pm UTC (link)
	I'm completely lost when it comes to that show. (Reply to this)

	heatherdawn1980 2008-02-18 02:13 pm UTC (link)
	i think now i'm even more confused. lol (Reply to this)(Thread)

	boxsofrain 2008-02-18 09:34 pm UTC (link)
	It gave me a headache reading all of it! (Reply to this)(Parent)

jenniferdunn
2008-02-18 03:14 pm UTC (link)

(Remember when Juliet sees the xray of the woman who was only 26, but with a 70-year-old womb)
I can't for the life of me recall when this happened...?!

While your physical body does not de-age, time travel will TEMPORARILY cure any physical ailments you may have had prior to entering the time machine. For example, say you become paralyzed in the year 2010 – in the year 2015, you decide to enter the time machine and go back in time 10 years to a time before you were paralyzed. When you travel back to 2005, you would be able to walk again because fate has not deemed that you are paralyzed for another 5 years. However, after 5 years, “fate would find a way” to paralyze you again. Maybe the first time you were paralyzed, it was because you were pushed out of a window and you fell on your back. But, as “the universe has a funny way of course correcting,” you may get hit by a car the second time around.
Does this explain why Locke was cured? Do you go back in time simply by landing on the island?

I'm so confused. LOL

Wait, ok then this:
They then rig-up the computer system that requires the pushing of a button every 108 minutes; however, this button pushing is actually activating the time machine every 108 minutes. So, for a great number of years, DHARMA is able to suspend time on the island by “resetting” the time machine every 108 minutes. Unfortunately, one of the downsides to this is that time in the rest of the world is still running its course as time is stopped on the island. Therefore, island time stays in the year 2000, while real world time eventually reaches the year 2004.

So when they landed on the island they WERE in fact in a different time then?

*continues reading*

EDIT
After the plane crashes, our heroes now exist in the year 2000 on the island, and they have taken on their bodies from 2000. Locke is healed because he hadn’t gotten into his accident until around 2002 – the same with Rose.
YEP!! Wow.

That is why Naomi pointed out that the survivors of 815 were found on the ocean floor after the crash. To be more specific, in 2004, the plane was “duplicated.” One version of the plane now exists on the island in 2000, and the other is crashed in the ocean in 2004. Thus, fate would rule that no matter what happens to our heroes, they are going to die if they ever reach the date of their plane crash in 2004.
Holy shit. This is really making sense!

So Ben was right when he said that if you leave the island every one of them is going to die. Because they were destined to die in that plane crash and by being on the island stuck in time, it is keeping them alive. So whoever died in the season finale [the person who's funeral Jack went to] that obviously proved that theory to Jack, enough to the point that he just wanted to commit suicide and get it over with?

Edited at 2008-02-18 03:30 pm UTC

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jenniferdunn
2008-02-18 03:32 pm UTC (link)

*ran out of room*

2000 (island time): All of the events in the first 2 seasons of LOST take place. The hatch is discovered and Locke ultimately ends up not pressing the button and Desmond turns the fail safe. This destroys the time machine, and now the island time is officially moving again; however, the island time has picked up in the year 2000! Now the island is moving at about 5 years behind real world time. When Desmond turned the fail safe key, his life flashed before his eyes… Well, actually, he got to “re-live” 5 years of his life! He got to relive being rescued from the island, witnessing Charlie’s death, and then starting his life up again off the island, meeting Penny, and then ultimately coming back to the island, thus creating a full loop for his life story. Desmond could not escape his fate. The reason only Desmond got to re-live his life was some function of him being the “key turner.” I’d venture that he was probably “at the heart of the time machine” thus, he was a little more clairvoyant to his alternate future than say, the folks who were out on the beach. And, that is ultimately how he gets “flashes” of Charlie’s death. Who knows how many times Desmond actually got to “re-live” his life. And, each time Desmond re-lived his life, he saw what would ultimately lead our heroes to getting off the island – and that would be Charlie sending out the message
OMG. Crazy! Totally makes sense.

Once the power struggle on the island plays out, 6 “survivors” emerge and leave the island: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid, etc. DHARMA takes these 6 people off the island, and the rest stay on the island; however, DHARMA, nor Ben, ever tell the 6 that they are actually going to be leaving the island in the year 2001 (NOT 2005, like they would think). Also, since NONE of the survivors were expected to ever leave the island, DHARMA must create some type of façade to make it look like the “rest of Oceanic 815” died in a similar plane crash. It’s nearly impossible for “the 6” to comprehend that they are re-living the last 4 years of their lives. From their perspective, what they thought happened (Hurley winning the lottery, etc), was all some type of long dream. However, Jack still implies that they still know the “truth.”

Hurley encounters the ghost of Charlie. Since Charlie lived out the original timeline as a rock band singer, but is now dead in the new timeline, he can appear as a “half dead” ghost to Hurley to help shape the future.
This theory is amazing!

Jack has lived about 3-4 years off the island in the new timeline. He knows that his number will be up on September 22, 2004. So, he decides to do everything in his power to test fate. He decides that he is going to try to jump off a bridge, just to see if someone can save him. He then reads in the paper that Sawyer has died – perfect evidence to prove that fate is running its course, and slowing killing off “the 6.”
K so I get Jack tempting to fate by trying to commit suicide... but Sawyer was the one in the paper who died? It was Sawyer whose funeral he went to? Then why when Jack asked Kate about it did she say 'Why would I go?' When she said that I assumed the person who died was someone that no one cared about, like Locke or Ben. Not Sawyer, who obviously was very close to Kate. Right?

By the end of the series, I think some people will stay on the island and some will leave; however, the question will remain that whenever time reaches 2004, will everyone on the plane mysteriously die as a result of fate course correcting the universe – or will our heroes be able to “beat fate” somehow.
As cool of a theory as this all is, it would be kind of lame for it to all end like that. Basically a repeat of those Final Destination movies. Kind of played out... *sigh*

P.S. One other question I have is what happened to Michael and Walt who alledgedly got off the island? I'm assuming at least Walt must have died? Seeing as how he has appeared mysteriously on the island a few times, to Locke etc. Was this his 'half-dead' body similar to how Charlie appeared to Hurley? And what was all the talk early on about Locke and Walt being 'special'? That really never got elaborated on.. So many questions, ah!

Edited at 2008-02-18 03:47 pm UTC

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jenniferdunn
2008-02-18 03:47 pm UTC (link)

But thanks for posting this Ashlee! I can't wait til Scott gets home so I can show him. Sorry for all the comments and copying and pasting, but I wanted to get together all of what I thought was the most important stuff because I know there'd be no way in hell Scott will read that whole thing, haha.

Now I'm even more excited to see how this all plays out! =)

EDIT:

Q: How do you explain Richard never appearing to age?

A: Richard had been traveling back in time to communicate with Ben all along. Hence, In Ben's flashback, Richard, as we saw him, was traveling back in time. So, the 40-year-old Richard as we know him, exists in 2000. But, until the purge, Richard continually used the time machine to visit Ben as he was growing up.

Maybe I'm just having a brain fart, but who the hell is Richard? He seems important, but I can't recall this person they kept speaking of!!

EDIT again
I missed last weeks episode because I had to work. I'm assuming that was Sayid's flash forward that I am reading about. And he and Ben are working together!? I simply must see this episode. AHHH. I hate when I miss a week. Luckily they play the previous week's episode just before the new episode each week. Must.not.miss.again!

Edited at 2008-02-18 04:14 pm UTC

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	tranquil_mother 2008-02-18 05:58 pm UTC (link)
	The xray with the womb thing happened when they were doing one of Juliette's flashbacks. It was when they were recruiting her. (I think 2 seasons ago?) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	boxsofrain 2008-02-18 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, Sayid had a flash foward in the last episode. I don't want to spoil it for you. It is very chilling to see Ben in it! You can watch it for free on abc.com (I bowl on Thursdays so I have to wait until Friday to watch). (Reply to this)(Parent)

gablady
2008-02-21 12:16 am UTC (link)

Juliette's sister was a cancer patient, don't forget. Juliette figured out a way for her to conceive--I seem to remember this explanation given recently on the show. Therefore, her uterus/womb would appear post-menopausal because of the chemo or radiation that was administered--that of a much older woman.

I don't buy the time travel theory, in any case. Locke was shot by Ben, and show's an unbelieving Sawyer the bullet wound, "If I still had a kidney there, I'd be dead." In the flashbacks, Locke's dad scammed him out of a kidney. This was before going to the island, not after. The travel agency didn't even want Locke going to Australia because he was wheelchair-bound, correct? Yet in the flashbacks, he is only wheelchair bound a while after having the kidney surgery. Therefore, how could Locke's accident have happened AFTER the island? Rose also says she didn't want to leave the island because her illness was no longer an issue.

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boxsofrain
2008-02-18 09:28 pm UTC (link)

I think Walt was always a time-travler. Maybe thats why he aged a few years.

From the site:

I think that Walt is a time traveler, but doesn’t know it. I think that he came from the future and lived out his childhood in the past. That is why he can see visions of the future – because in an alternate timeline, he is actually from the future. Currently, we don’t have enough details to explain more about him.

When Locke was in the ditch dying he saw Walt which caused him to not kill himself. We were lead to believe we saw an image of Walt, but what if that was really Walt there!

Also from the site:

Q: How did Michael and Walt leave the island? Did they even leave? And, where did they go?

A: Yes, they did leave the island. Ben didn’t want anyone going to communicate with the outside world (Walt and Michael), but he kept his word that he would let them go. Notice that Michael and Walt left right after “the sky turned purple.” According to the timeline, this would mean that they left the island in the year 2001 – after all time had been reset to 2001. Now, everyone, on the island and off, is free to write history. But, will fate let Michael and Walt re-write history? I’m betting that Michael and Walt went back to the real world, realized that they were back in time, and then went BACK to the island to figure out what was going on.

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	tranquil_mother 2008-02-18 05:55 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. It DOES make sense. Confusing. But makes sense. I tried to keep up with all of it. LOL (Reply to this)(Thread)

	boxsofrain 2008-02-18 09:30 pm UTC (link)
	I felt so slow reading it, haha. I had to repeat reading several paragraphs to understand it all. I wonder if this guy is right. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	the__empress 2008-02-19 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	What episode are they on with the new season? I got into Lost with a guy I used to date, but now he's out of the picture so I'm not up to date anymore. (Reply to this)

	gablady 2008-02-20 10:25 pm UTC (link)
	I don't buy all of this time travelling business. While it is a viable solution to many questions, many more remain unanswered. The plot thickens, and this show is throwing me for a mindloop! (Reply to this)

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